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Interviewee gives his name, David Hawkins, director of climate programs at the Natural Resources Defense Council. His focus is on policy for cutting global warming pollution. He says he works on getting laws that will use renewable energy. Hawkins says he is pleased that people are now paying attention to the problems of global warming. He says the easiest way to address the problem is to use energy efficiently. He says people will have all the same energy services they've always had, and save money. He says renewable energy sources are now competing against dirty energy resources that are exporting their costs to the environment. He says California has used electricity in a more intelligent way and has kept per capita energy consumption flat, while the per capita use in other states has gone up 80%.

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